The Mariners Still an Expansion Team 35 years Later

I have not written a post in a couple of days mostly due to the fact that I have simply been uninspired. It seems to be a common theme amongst people around town who like myself have followed the Mariners for so long and see no real hope for a return the playoffs in sight and can no longer ignore the fact that the current ownership doesn’t really care about us or winning.


I read a few articles today about the speculation that the Mariners are prime to be sold with a value at around $750 million. The books are balanced with not to many long-term contracts to hamstring a new owner and little to no debt. From a business perspective I suppose Howard Lincoln and Chuck Armstrong along with the board of directors are doing their jobs and thus are setting themselves up for a nice “Golden Parachute” should a sale happen.


That is all well and good if I had money invested in this team but instead like a lot of fans I have invested time, emotion and yes lots of money hoping to some day be World Champions.But after 35 years this team still looks like a semi-expansion team despite a promising group of young players that may gel in a couple of years.


It is absolutely crazy to be feeling this way in April even though we are 6-5 so far but it is a reality that has to be admitted. I was going to head down to the Safe tonight and cheer for our boys but just can’t rationalize dropping a hundred-dollar bill on parking, tickets and food though I may change my mind and go or perhaps head down there Wednesday.


I don’t seem  even to be able to muster the same anger towards the Top Brass and their marketing hacks for the various gimmicks they use to attract the casual fans like I used to.Chuck and Howie know these casual fans really don’t seem to care whether we win or lose and just seem to enjoy watching hydros and looking at their smartphones while guzzling over-priced drinks out in center field.


It is refreshing to see Geoff Baker at the Times staying on point and calling out the ownership group for the hustle they are pulling on the NW population. But it seems like even a lot of the local Mariners Bloggers and facebook crowd have bought into the thrifty develop your own players philosophy that Jack Z. keeps hammering home when he does his little sound bites. You know the line about were doing it the right way (on the cheap) and it will get better soon just you wait.


The trouble is the local fan base is shrinking as evidenced in the drop-off in attendance on days two and three of the Oakland Series over last year. I would be surprised if we break 15,00 tonight and if the Mariners go into a tailspin there could be some sub-10,000 nights sooner than later at the Safe this year.


Don’t mean to be such a Debbie Downer today but I think I speak for a lot of fans or former fans out there who have reached sort of a critical breaking point in their enthusiasm at this point in time. I could be wrong and maybe Eric Wedge will somehow motivate his crew to play over their heads this year and we will play respectable ball once again here in Seattle, time will tell. What do you think? Go M’s


  1. Jerry says

    Perhaps we should ask the Cubby fans what motivates them year to year. Maybe they put some exotic elixer in their beer/ soda’s that keep them hoping for the big one. We can learn alot from them, maybe you can have casual exchanges with them that keep the hope popsicles that stir the juices of “just wait, you’ll see”.

    • Jeff says

      Jerry,Interesting thought about the Cubs fans and what keeps them going.I went to Wrigley a few years ago when the Mariners played there.Its a whole different crowd there.Way more hard core fans in attendance. They have a longer baseball tradition there and a larger city to draw from. Plus usually the ownership there is not afraid to spend money and the press and the fans keep them accountable. Hope we dont end up like the Oakland A’s….

  2. says

    I did my college internship with the M’s and had a great time – even have a real jersey. Yet, the continious lack luster seasons makes it tough to be a fan since year over year is nothing but disappointment. I used to go to a couple games a year, watch the M’s on tv, and meet up with friends to grab a game at a local pub. Now its like, “oh the M’s are playing? Wonder how bad it will be this game”. I’m with Jerry, lets find out how older franchises keep their spirits up.

  3. says

    I have been a Mariner’s fan since 1977 and have driven up the freeway many times but I am tired of the losing and the huge expense it takes to drive there plus tickets,concessions, and parking. I went one time only last year and I won’t be back unless they put a decent team on the field.Many times in the past I would watch Sat. Night game,get a motel then watch the Sunday game. Needless to say that is quite expensive to do. So for now I will watch an occasional game on tv and hope they are competitive soon.

  4. Mike Herko says

    I hear ya. Ownership has gotten away with the equivalent of murder, what with the sweetheart deals they received from Slade G. and King County. They promised to deliver a winner, instead the gave us a weiner. ( For seven bucks!) They never were interested in producing a winner as much as showing a profit. For nincompoops, winning IS expensive. When you are incompetent at evaluating and keeping talent, entropy tends to increase. You see these guys all over the league, ex- Mariners excelling on other teams. Tonight, we’ll see Choo and Cabrera, ( Who, by the way, got a nice extension recently ) and Derek Lowe too. Remember who these fools got in exchange for Lowe and Jason Varitek? Answer : Heathcliff Slocumb, who the Red Sox were about to give his Unconditional Release. This is the same ownership group, pretty much intact. They PO’ed Piniella, Griffey, Randy, gave away David Ortiz, to mention just a few. We’ve played Musical Chairs with Managers and GM’s since forever. Jeff, you SHOULD be catatonic by now, most all true M’s fans are, even if Rick and Shannon can guffaw in the face of disaster.
    Now, no one would ever accuse me of being Pollyanna, But, I’m liking what I’m seeing lately. Compared to the last few years, the potential for a bludgeoning lineup is real, and we got 3 agressive starters waiting in the wings. I’m NOT conceding second place to Anaheim, even with their swell addittions. May all these guys stay healthy and let’s see what develops…
    I know that I’m not being unrealistic, because I’ve already amended the M’s new slogan from ” Get After it ” to ” Get over it !”

    • Jeff says

      Mike nice to hear I should be Catatonic by now, that explains everything! Wish you wouldn’t have brought up how the Front office messed up the Griffey, Randy Johnso, Pinella and the infamous Heathcliff Slokum deals, just brought on another wave of what used to be rage and is now just sorrow….Is this what a catatonic Mariners Blogger life is destined for?

  5. Ben says

    Listen, it is hard… but I grew up with the terrible Mariners teams of the late 80s and early 90s. Even with horrible trades and signings we somehow managed to field a pretty fun team to watch in the mid to late 90s, and one of the best in the league in the early part of the 2000s. It will happen again, I have faith. I’m not delusional, I know the issues we have in our front office and ownership. I see how much harder it is to go downtown everyday, fight the traffic, and park. But I love baseball. It is the best sport in America, no matter how hard they try to ruin it. I want to go to the ballpark and see a great pitching performance, defensive play, or great hit and run. I want to watch these guys, and I am willing to suffer, ’cause I won’t truly appreciate the good times without suffering. I’m not a fair weather fan. The true fans are going to the ballpark every day, not pissing and moaning at home.

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